Double-dip fears grow amid mixed economic data

by Scott Bicheno on 10 August 2010, 15:36

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Balancing act

We're in the middle of a spate of economic data and the general tone of analysis in the UK is whether they indicate a continuation of the insipid economic recovery or whether they herald a slip back into recession - the dreaded double-dip.

On one hand, there was some positive export news. The Telegraph reported a note by Citi's chief UK economist - Michael Saunders: "In Q2 as a whole, export volumes (ex oil and erratics) rose 6.4 percent quarter on quarter and 15.5 percent year on year," he noted.

"The 6.4% quarter on quarter rise in export volumes matches that in Q3-99, and has not been exceeded in the last 30 years. Export volume growth in Q2 was far ahead of imports (up 1.6% QoQ). Exports are benefiting from the low pound as well as the euro area pick up."

Not only is a reduction in the trade deficit highly desirable for a country as heavily indebted as ours, but with domestic demand likely to be low due to public sector cuts, healthy exports are seen as key to the economic recovery.

And the signs of weakening domestic demand are coming in thick and fast. For the first time in a year, more surveyors are reporting a fall in house prices than a rise, according to RICS. In other words, house prices fell, but this has coincided with a glut of new properties on the market. Retail sales growth also slowed last month.

Meanwhile, research from the CIPD confirms that the public sector cuts will lead to extensive redundancies. "...while the number of employers planning to make redundancies is similar to that in the Spring report, this trend masks the true extent of forthcoming job losses in the third quarter of the year; as the proportion of the workforce that will be affected by these redundancy programmes has jumped by fifty per cent," said CIPD public policy advisor Gerwyn Davies.

"As is being widely reported, this is being driven chiefly by public sector organisations, where redundancies will affect almost eight per cent of the workforce on average."

The business secretary Vince Cable has himself conceded a reasonable possibility of a double-dip, telling the Guardian: "The government's own forecasting risk puts it at something like one in four, one in five," but when asked for his own assessment said: "Well, you know, certainly well below 50-50."

The macroeconomic view will be revised once more later today, when the conclusions of the latest US Federal Reserve meeting will be made public. With similar double-dip fears in the US, what the Fed decides to do about it could have a profound effect on business and investor confidence.

 



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Reuters poll of 50 economists predict we will not double dip and just see slow growth..
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE67932I20100810

but then again who believes them? - I work surrounded by them but personally i think something big could be around the corner. Not sure about UK but i think the US may startup the printing press again soon if current situation negative figures continue.
All the news about a possible second resession really doesn't help, as now people are gonna fear for their jobs, and then just spend even less money. Its the same as the Northern Rock situation, if the media hadn't got hold of it so people panicked then there would most likely never have been a problem at all.
I just hope that it doesn't progress any further, so people are more confident to go out and spend some money.
All I want to do now on my lunch is go out and buy some double dips, sherbet fountains and fizzy flying saucers.

Thanks to Hexus for making me even fatter !.
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All I want to do now on my lunch is go out and buy some double dips, sherbet fountains and fizzy flying saucers.

Thanks to Hexus for making me even fatter !.

LOL :hexlub:
As always with economics, you have to be very careful in associating cause and effect, especially if you're going to base predictions on shirt-term changes in trends.

For instance, this bit of that article ….

And the signs of weakening domestic demand are coming in thick and fast. For the first time in a year, more surveyors are reporting a fall in house prices than a rise, according to RICS. In other words, house prices fell, but this has coincided with a glut of new properties on the market. Retail sales growth also slowed last month.
But why are RICS reporting a drop in house prices? Is it a sign of gloom over economic expectations from cautious buyers, or it is something else? Or is it a complex mix?

For instance, the number of properties going onto the market surged partly in response to the remove of HIPS. And as demand has been cautious, not least due to difficulties getting mortgages,well, what always happens when supply exceeds demand? Yup …. prices fall. But, that element due to HIPS is a one-off market adjustment not a start of a trend.

And then we have the impact of the announcements in the budget of changes to CGT, which with some specific exceptions, will hit people with second homes. There is, according to RICS, a significant jump in people putting their second properties on the market, both in reaction to the budget changes and indeed, in anticipation of them.

Simply put, there;s a CGT annual exemption limit of £10,100, and any gain in capital assets above that are subject to CGT and the rate is going from 18% to 28%. So … anyone with a large gain in the value of a property that isn't their ‘principle private residence’ is going to be thinking awfully hard about getting out ahead of that CGT clobbering.

Note - I'm not arguing whether the rise was right or wrong, whether it's fairer or not. I'm pointing out that in going from where we were to where we are now, you provide another motive for property flooding onto the market, which alone will drive prices down and is not, in and of itself, anything to do with the economic outlook. It's merely a reaction to a tax change and, as such, is again a short-term variation not a trend.

On the other hand, there's no doubt from retail figures that consumer spending is down and when the consumer is cautious and (economically) conservative, the last thing they tend to do is move home. That is a trend factor, as is the current throttling of mortgage availability by cautious and retrenching banks.

And on that one, government (especially the last one) had a role to play. If you tell banks "you're over-geared and over-extended, so recapitalise“, and at the same time you tell them ”lend more to businesses and on home mortgages ", they are going to say “huh?” I'd be confused by that, too. It's akin to the back-seat drivers “turn left, right”.


What worries me is the scale of the coming cuts. I (and some others) have been saying on here for quite some time that the pain is still to come and that the “recession”, which technically has been over for some time now, was largely phantom, at least to the consumer, because the reduction in interest rates left a lot of people actually better off. So unless you were one of the unlucky few that got restricted hours, reduced pay or, worse yet, laid off entirely, you've probably done quite well in the last couple of years.

But the message is now getting through to people that the next few years, and it is years, aren't going to be fun. And the message should be getting through, because the government have been saying it for long enough.

At the bottom of all this is the one great unanswerable question …. we are going to feel serious pain from all these cuts, and it is going to slow the economy down and does risk a double-dip, but would it be worse if we didn't do it?

The answer to that is that nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, knows. Lots of people have opinions and theories, me included. The Chancellor does, the BofE does, the IMF, OECD and every economist from first year students to professors and heads of think tanks probably do, but absolutely none of them whatsoever know, or ever will.

What I would say seems self-evident is that there is a problem that has to be dealt with, namely first the deficit, and then the debt. It's like trying to run a marathon in shackles, with an anchor chained to your leg. The question is …. is it right to lose the marathon for the next year or two, or to risk coming 17th in every race for the next decade or two. it'll be very painful if we act drastically, as the government is clearly going to do. But it'll be very painful if we don't. And in no small part, blame that muppet Brown for getting us into this mess.